Does anyone know when DE 8.5 will come out of Beta? And be a full blown product.

I've been working with the Beta and I like it!  Reminds me of the old days (well almost).

The honest answer to that is NO!

8.2 is the version that brought DFW up to "scratch" and as such the last of an era...

8.5 is the version where we drag DataEase up from the doldrums and into modern times and beyond.

In hindsight we could have release 8.4, 8.5, 8.6, 8.7, 8.8 during the work with 8.5 if we did it the same way as 8.0, 8.1 and 8.2

But...

Our main focus up to and including 8.2 was to bring the functionality for existing DFW users up to an "acceptable" level.

It is a long time since the focus of any DataEase release have been to recruit new users, but 8.5 will be the first version where the goal is NEW users, NEW Functionality and NEW Usage.

From DFW 5.x to DFW 7.0 every new release of DataEase meant that more people STOPPED using DataEase. 

With 7.2 we reversed this and with 8.0-8.2 we got a lot of "old" users to come back and use DataEase again.

With 8.5 we want to start recruiting new users and also broaden the usage of the product.

This means that we don't only need to broaden the product (functionally) but also to start focusing on "How to get started with?" DataEase.

Development of DE8 and ultimately DE85 started "back to front". First we wanted to increase the capabilities of the product so we knew that it would be up to the "task" of developing modern applications.

Now we feel we are very close to this goal, so we turn the focus on the "educational" part.

DFW was never a easy product to get the hang of, and as the focus turned on migration and "old" customers the documentation, samples and support around the system fell "fallow". 

One can think of it a little as climbing up to the roof and pull up the ladder.

We need to bring DataEase (8.5) back to the ground so people can start climbing up the ladder.

This means that we need to change how you start the product, and also we need to change the process of how people "learn" the product.

We have published many "full" versions of DE8.5 for partners/customers that want to use DE8.5 "as is", and we will soon publish a full pre-release version of DE8.5 for existing users that want to start running DE8.5 but the full release will not happen until the things mentioned above is completed.

To be honest, we are in no rush. We need to get it right more than get there soon....

PS! We are glad that you enjoy working with 8.5 and that it "reminds you of the old days" as one of the manin goals with DE8 was to make it fun to work with DataEase again.